<?xml version="1.0" encoding="UTF-8"?><rss version="2.0"
	xmlns:content="http://purl.org/rss/1.0/modules/content/"
	xmlns:dc="http://purl.org/dc/elements/1.1/"
	xmlns:atom="http://www.w3.org/2005/Atom"
	xmlns:sy="http://purl.org/rss/1.0/modules/syndication/"
	>
<channel>
	<title>Comments for School 94501/94502</title>
	<atom:link href="http://robsiltanen.com/?feed=comments-rss2" rel="self" type="application/rss+xml" />
	<link>http://robsiltanen.com</link>
	<description>Rob Siltanen's Blog</description>
	<pubDate>Thu, 09 Sep 2010 09:35:51 +0000</pubDate>
	<generator>http://wordpress.org/?v=2.7</generator>
	<sy:updatePeriod>hourly</sy:updatePeriod>
	<sy:updateFrequency>1</sy:updateFrequency>
		<item>
		<title>Comment on Master Plan: We&#8217;re All in This Together by also a voting parent</title>
		<link>http://robsiltanen.com/?p=74&cpage=1#comment-655</link>
		<dc:creator>also a voting parent</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 16 May 2009 18:19:57 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://robsiltanen.com/?p=74#comment-655</guid>
		<description>wow. In ideal terms, I think the BOE should pass this Caring Schools Curriculum and let the objecting parents sue. But the circumstances and timing are terrible as you have all alluded. I am person who takes acting on principle very seriously, but even if I was a parent who objected to this 45 MINUTE A YEAR lesson plan, I could not sue over this considering the hugely negative impact of a law suit.  I support the principle of taking one's cause to court, but because of the dire economic crisis this feels like blackmail. Mike McMahon was quoted in the Chronicle as saying either decision will likely be challenged in court. That is lose, lose. It only takes one person with the means to file a suit, but of course the oppositions has already had outside organizations dedicated to fighting this come speak on their behalf. If the BOE is bullied into a no vote I hope the LGBT community makes a show of having the had the best interest of the whole community at heart all along and opts not to sue even if it should.

"Voting parent "wants to appear even handed, but their reference to  BOE going in the "wrong direction" would appear to mean voting for the curriculum because it will a) bring a law suit and b) I also think this person objects to the curriculum because of the last line "Everybody needs to be respected even if we disagree with the dogmas of their faith." If you think about it that cuts both ways, but empathy for LGBT is not a "faith", some pejoratively insist on calling it a life style. It's more like a fact of life and less of a choice to me than choosing a "faith". 

It would be nice if the people of faith would step up to their credo for once and try turning the other cheek.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>wow. In ideal terms, I think the BOE should pass this Caring Schools Curriculum and let the objecting parents sue. But the circumstances and timing are terrible as you have all alluded. I am person who takes acting on principle very seriously, but even if I was a parent who objected to this 45 MINUTE A YEAR lesson plan, I could not sue over this considering the hugely negative impact of a law suit.  I support the principle of taking one&#8217;s cause to court, but because of the dire economic crisis this feels like blackmail. Mike McMahon was quoted in the Chronicle as saying either decision will likely be challenged in court. That is lose, lose. It only takes one person with the means to file a suit, but of course the oppositions has already had outside organizations dedicated to fighting this come speak on their behalf. If the BOE is bullied into a no vote I hope the LGBT community makes a show of having the had the best interest of the whole community at heart all along and opts not to sue even if it should.</p>
<p>&#8220;Voting parent &#8220;wants to appear even handed, but their reference to  BOE going in the &#8220;wrong direction&#8221; would appear to mean voting for the curriculum because it will a) bring a law suit and b) I also think this person objects to the curriculum because of the last line &#8220;Everybody needs to be respected even if we disagree with the dogmas of their faith.&#8221; If you think about it that cuts both ways, but empathy for LGBT is not a &#8220;faith&#8221;, some pejoratively insist on calling it a life style. It&#8217;s more like a fact of life and less of a choice to me than choosing a &#8220;faith&#8221;. </p>
<p>It would be nice if the people of faith would step up to their credo for once and try turning the other cheek.</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>Comment on Fun for School Finance Nerds by Rob Siltanen</title>
		<link>http://robsiltanen.com/?p=90&cpage=1#comment-653</link>
		<dc:creator>Rob Siltanen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 May 2009 20:12:07 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://robsiltanen.com/?p=90#comment-653</guid>
		<description>I was only calling myself a nerd.  

I'll leave other judgments of nerdiness to others.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I was only calling myself a nerd.  </p>
<p>I&#8217;ll leave other judgments of nerdiness to others.</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>Comment on Fun for School Finance Nerds by Ron</title>
		<link>http://robsiltanen.com/?p=90&cpage=1#comment-652</link>
		<dc:creator>Ron</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 May 2009 19:35:54 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://robsiltanen.com/?p=90#comment-652</guid>
		<description>HEY! ... are you calling me a nerd?!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>HEY! &#8230; are you calling me a nerd?!</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>Comment on Lesson #9 by dave</title>
		<link>http://robsiltanen.com/?p=82&cpage=1#comment-651</link>
		<dc:creator>dave</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 May 2009 00:37:18 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://robsiltanen.com/?p=82#comment-651</guid>
		<description>Non-secular humanist,

There are numerous non-secular schools available to you.  They are permitted to ignore the state's obligation to teach tolerance.   Utilize them if you find inclusion so distasteful.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Non-secular humanist,</p>
<p>There are numerous non-secular schools available to you.  They are permitted to ignore the state&#8217;s obligation to teach tolerance.   Utilize them if you find inclusion so distasteful.</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>Comment on Lesson #9 by Gary</title>
		<link>http://robsiltanen.com/?p=82&cpage=1#comment-650</link>
		<dc:creator>Gary</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 May 2009 23:49:54 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://robsiltanen.com/?p=82#comment-650</guid>
		<description>A family is a group of people that love each other, nothing more and nothing less.  The world is, and has been, full of families that are bigger or smaller than a pair of differing gender parents and their blood offspring.  I can't see how acknowledging this circumstance and history, or the fact that children don't get to choose their families, in any way diminishes any family or erases either good history or bad history on any scale.  Quite the contrary, it tells us that there is the potential opportunity for everyone to experience a loving and supportive household, no matter what its makeup.  

The point of all the CSC material is to help children respect and accept each other as individual humans, whether they are similar or different to us.  What anyone chooses to do is a different matter, since it is within their control and we are all accountable for our actions. 

If fear is required to make children "good," then God help us all.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A family is a group of people that love each other, nothing more and nothing less.  The world is, and has been, full of families that are bigger or smaller than a pair of differing gender parents and their blood offspring.  I can&#8217;t see how acknowledging this circumstance and history, or the fact that children don&#8217;t get to choose their families, in any way diminishes any family or erases either good history or bad history on any scale.  Quite the contrary, it tells us that there is the potential opportunity for everyone to experience a loving and supportive household, no matter what its makeup.  </p>
<p>The point of all the CSC material is to help children respect and accept each other as individual humans, whether they are similar or different to us.  What anyone chooses to do is a different matter, since it is within their control and we are all accountable for our actions. </p>
<p>If fear is required to make children &#8220;good,&#8221; then God help us all.</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>Comment on Lesson #9 by Rob Siltanen</title>
		<link>http://robsiltanen.com/?p=82&cpage=1#comment-649</link>
		<dc:creator>Rob Siltanen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 May 2009 23:29:13 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://robsiltanen.com/?p=82#comment-649</guid>
		<description>I disagree with your analysis, including the attempt to suggest that the curriculum's logical extension leads to totalitarianism.  Over on laurendo.com, at least one supporter of the curriculum used the same (flawed) style argument to compare opponents of the proposed curriculum to the Taliban. 

Good luck to us all tonight.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I disagree with your analysis, including the attempt to suggest that the curriculum&#8217;s logical extension leads to totalitarianism.  Over on laurendo.com, at least one supporter of the curriculum used the same (flawed) style argument to compare opponents of the proposed curriculum to the Taliban. </p>
<p>Good luck to us all tonight.</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>Comment on Lesson #9 by Non-secular humanist</title>
		<link>http://robsiltanen.com/?p=82&cpage=1#comment-648</link>
		<dc:creator>Non-secular humanist</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 May 2009 23:13:30 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://robsiltanen.com/?p=82#comment-648</guid>
		<description>Rob- in terms of rhetoric- you may have overlooked Mark's  stereotypical categorization of those who would opt out of Evolution being taught in Biology class  (with the tell-tale use of "they")  with those who would prefer that moral equivocation before the question/definition of Family be tackled at higher levels of education.  Perhaps it has become so customary to ostracize those who quesiton or object to Dawin et al's theories that you missed it entirely.  In reality, this overlap in the Venn diagram is pretty narrow, and regardless doesn't deserve this type of derision.  I applaud your call for reasonableness, and can admit to my own hyperbole, but let's be consistent here.

And yet concerning this hyperbole- if we follow this curriculum we are left with an anti-definition of Family as being basically "whatever anyone wants it to be".  This effectively neuters the concept of all cultural heritage and meaning.  It destroys History (however racist/sexist/homophobic you may consider this history).  This was PRECISELY Pol Pot's objective, which however horrifying and amoral the means, were intended to justify the same ends.   

Frankly I wonder about the moral compass afforded public educators- what have all the ACLU lawsuits left you with?  Why should a child be "good"?  What is the possible motivation if not fear of violent reprisal (i.e. totalitarianism)?   

Good luck at the meeting tonight...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Rob- in terms of rhetoric- you may have overlooked Mark&#8217;s  stereotypical categorization of those who would opt out of Evolution being taught in Biology class  (with the tell-tale use of &#8220;they&#8221;)  with those who would prefer that moral equivocation before the question/definition of Family be tackled at higher levels of education.  Perhaps it has become so customary to ostracize those who quesiton or object to Dawin et al&#8217;s theories that you missed it entirely.  In reality, this overlap in the Venn diagram is pretty narrow, and regardless doesn&#8217;t deserve this type of derision.  I applaud your call for reasonableness, and can admit to my own hyperbole, but let&#8217;s be consistent here.</p>
<p>And yet concerning this hyperbole- if we follow this curriculum we are left with an anti-definition of Family as being basically &#8220;whatever anyone wants it to be&#8221;.  This effectively neuters the concept of all cultural heritage and meaning.  It destroys History (however racist/sexist/homophobic you may consider this history).  This was PRECISELY Pol Pot&#8217;s objective, which however horrifying and amoral the means, were intended to justify the same ends.   </p>
<p>Frankly I wonder about the moral compass afforded public educators- what have all the ACLU lawsuits left you with?  Why should a child be &#8220;good&#8221;?  What is the possible motivation if not fear of violent reprisal (i.e. totalitarianism)?   </p>
<p>Good luck at the meeting tonight&#8230;</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>Comment on Lesson #9 by Rob Siltanen</title>
		<link>http://robsiltanen.com/?p=82&cpage=1#comment-647</link>
		<dc:creator>Rob Siltanen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 May 2009 22:49:53 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://robsiltanen.com/?p=82#comment-647</guid>
		<description>That comment is exactly the sort of “too-heated rhetoric” I was referring to in my earlier comment.

I understand and appreciate varying points of view on this and on most issues, but I just don’t think adding a lesson to an existing school curriculum is in quite the same league as murdering millions of people.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That comment is exactly the sort of “too-heated rhetoric” I was referring to in my earlier comment.</p>
<p>I understand and appreciate varying points of view on this and on most issues, but I just don’t think adding a lesson to an existing school curriculum is in quite the same league as murdering millions of people.</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>Comment on Lesson #9 by Non-secular Humanist</title>
		<link>http://robsiltanen.com/?p=82&cpage=1#comment-645</link>
		<dc:creator>Non-secular Humanist</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 May 2009 22:38:22 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://robsiltanen.com/?p=82#comment-645</guid>
		<description>Mark - the cinematic depiction of this "demystification" you refer to can be found in "The Killing Fields" when Pol-Pot's minions instruct the young students to erase the chalk-written line between parent and child on a blackboard.   If you haven't seen this film, I highly recommend it.  

Let's hope the state of California, and the AUSD by extension, doesn't pursue a similar path in its zeal to mandate the Tyranny of Tolerance.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mark - the cinematic depiction of this &#8220;demystification&#8221; you refer to can be found in &#8220;The Killing Fields&#8221; when Pol-Pot&#8217;s minions instruct the young students to erase the chalk-written line between parent and child on a blackboard.   If you haven&#8217;t seen this film, I highly recommend it.  </p>
<p>Let&#8217;s hope the state of California, and the AUSD by extension, doesn&#8217;t pursue a similar path in its zeal to mandate the Tyranny of Tolerance.</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>Comment on Lesson #9 by Rob Siltanen</title>
		<link>http://robsiltanen.com/?p=82&cpage=1#comment-644</link>
		<dc:creator>Rob Siltanen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 May 2009 22:20:03 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://robsiltanen.com/?p=82#comment-644</guid>
		<description>I appreciate the substance of your comments as well as their tone.  Generally, the rhetoric on all sides of this issue is way too heated.  

Whatever happens, I do hope that (after some sort of brief cooling off period), we can indeed move onward and upward to restructuring and the master plan process.  If *that* doesn't go well, we won't have a school district much longer so none of the rest of this will matter.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I appreciate the substance of your comments as well as their tone.  Generally, the rhetoric on all sides of this issue is way too heated.  </p>
<p>Whatever happens, I do hope that (after some sort of brief cooling off period), we can indeed move onward and upward to restructuring and the master plan process.  If *that* doesn&#8217;t go well, we won&#8217;t have a school district much longer so none of the rest of this will matter.</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
</channel>
</rss>
